A look back...

[TheOne]

...at some of the things that people were saying and predicting (with uncanny accuracy) about the Rail Safety Bill...

Senate Rail Safety Bill On The Move
Bill to change Hours of Service law.
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/utu...nt-urgent.html
Our new hours of service cap, what it means in $$$ @ cents here.
Will Bush actually sign HR 2095?

Originally Posted by Burner

And I can see the carrier taking this and cutting my guarantee anyway. I think they might actually be all for this thing, but are pretending that they don want it so the union will be doing what it is now thinking they are gonna "stick it to the man". The unions seem to be looking a few weeks into the future while the carriers are looking 40 or 50 years into the future... This is the beginning of the end for us as a career.

Originally Posted by ghostrider

Examples of pools now.

Ravenna Pool now wage 7553.86 hours 356 hr wage 21.21 will be capped at 276=5,853.96 a loss of 1699,9

KC Pool 7495.12 hrs 383.15 rate 19.56 will be 5,398.56 a loss of 2096.56

McCook Pool 7149.32 hrs 352.49 rate 19.72 will be 5442.72 will be 5442.72 a loss of 1,706.60

Sioux City Pool 8417.01 401.83 hr 20.95 rate will be 5782.20
a loss in wages of 2634.81

West Low Pool 9556.49 hours 401 rate 20.95 will be 5,782.20 a loss of 3,774.29

Wymore Low pool 9379.63 hr 449.68 rate 20.86 will be 5757.36 loss of 3,622.27

Creston Pool 7310.03 hrs 349 rate 20.90 will be 5768.40 a loss of 1541.63

This is just a couple of the pools and does not figure in lost productivity shares and things like that. Figures come off the BNSF job rating site and I just multiplied the hourly rate to the 276 cap to come up with the numbers.

Originally Posted by Hog&Tow

it's high time the carriers & government brought our rest & safety problems out of the Steam Age....this is a Rail Safety Bill...it's not government intervention into how much money you can earn.

Originally Posted by Popeye

Man, you just don't get it. If the govt tells you how much you can work, THEY ARE IN FACT TELLING YOU HOW MUCH YOU CAN EARN!!!!!!

Originally Posted by TFB

As another wise individual on this website side, you cannot mandate someone lay down and go to sleep. Pass a bill that says someone must have 12 or 14 or however many hours rest. Do you think that will change how much rest RR'ers will get versus now?

Being rested for work is a personal responsibility and if all a person wants to do is stay awake more, then changing rest rules is not going to change them. In fact, it will give them more time to to stay awake rather than get the rest THEY KNOW they should be getting.

Originally Posted by engineerns301

It will impact some employees wages, no doubt. Get use to.

Theres many many more, but these are the good ones...

If you get a few hours, sit down an read thru the threads I listed above, and look back and see who was completely full of crap back then.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by TheOne

...at some of the things that people were saying and predicting (with uncanny accuracy) about the Rail Safety Bill...

Senate Rail Safety Bill On The Move
Bill to change Hours of Service law.
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/utu...nt-urgent.html
Our new hours of service cap, what it means in $$$ @ cents here.
Will Bush actually sign HR 2095?














Theres many many more, but these are the good ones...

If you get a few hours, sit down an read thru the threads I listed above, and look back and see who was completely full of (*&^ back then.

And the bill hasn't had the full effect yet.

[TheOne]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

And the bill hasn't had the full effect yet.

indeed....Some people here I think are owed apologies

Goes to show what happens when you blindly follow the union like little sheeple.

[Hornblower]

I don't think anyone is owed an apology. It's a forum with different people posting different views. Just because you don't agree with the someone doesn't mean you're wrong. If everyone felt and posted the same here it would be a pretty boring place.

The RSA of 2008 is by no means perfect. It was brought about because the membership from BOTH unions had no luck negotiating work/rest with the Carriers. The federal government got involved and it is what it is. We've got to work on changing it for the better now. Bottom line, it was a step. Some would say in the right direction, some would say it wasn't.

HB

[gsxr1000mxz800]

i remember upsetting a poster on here who is from my location who posted that everyone should call and support hr 2095. i responded with maybe everyone should READ hr 2095 then decide whether they support it or not. fast forward to today and the potential loss of earnings and alot of people are upset. however we have not seen how it works yet so it may not be as bad as we all think. and yes it is our fault for getting what we got.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by gsxr1000mxz800

i remember upsetting a poster on here who is from my location who posted that everyone should call and support hr 2095. i responded with maybe everyone should READ hr 2095 then decide whether they support it or not. fast forward to today and the potential loss of earnings and alot of people are upset. however we have not seen how it works yet so it may not be as bad as we all think. and yes it is our fault for getting what we got.

Ah, but HR 2095 (House Version) was a dandy of a Bill - if only that version was what was signed. It had no cap on hours per month and took limbo time down to 10 hours. It was what had the unions united and pushing for it.

It wasn't until the senate bill came out with a 276 hour cap and no real improvement in limbo time that had the BLET back off supporting it. The UTU stayed on board with their support because they saw some good in other areas (and there is good in it). By pushing for conductor certification, it will only make it harder to go one man crew for the carrier.

PTC is another good piece to come out of the bill. Another safety overlay in the system can and will save lives.

The senate bill was destined to die - until Chatsworth.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by TheOne

indeed....Some people here I think are owed apologies

Goes to show what happens when you blindly follow the union like little sheeple.

And will you be apologizing when the mandated PTC gets installed and then saves the lives of employees? Doubt it.



Everybody seems focused on a fear of earnings loss when the damn thing hasn't even gone into effect and constantly disregard the real safety aspects and improvements that the new law brings. No, it's a far from perfect set of regulations. But it does contain a good start when it comes to many of the safety aspects.

Appears many have more in common with the carriers and management than they realize - profit, money, and greed over safety and quality of life.

[Hog&Tow]

Originally Posted by TheOne

...at some of the things that people were saying and predicting (with uncanny accuracy) about the Rail Safety Bill...

Senate Rail Safety Bill On The Move
Bill to change Hours of Service law.
http://www.yardlimits.com/forums/utu...nt-urgent.html
Our new hours of service cap, what it means in $$$ @ cents here.
Will Bush actually sign HR 2095?














Theres many many more, but these are the good ones...

If you get a few hours, sit down an read thru the threads I listed above, and look back and see who was completely full of crap back then.

I honestly hope that yours will be one of the many lives this bill will save. if you still can't make enough money I suggest you find another line of work.

[jonnyseeandoh]

I for one am going to reserve judgement on the money thing til I see. I've a feeling everyone is going to get their six or seven starts every single time simply because so many people will be off at one time who has met their starts or hours, that everyone who is available is first out, like wham bam thank you.....and so on. Sort of makes the ten undisturbed plus limbo rest a good thing to look forward to. Otherwise we'd all soon be the zombies we all just thought we were.

[TheOne]

Originally Posted by Zeb

And will you be apologizing when the mandated PTC gets installed and then saves the lives of employees? Doubt it.

Of course it will save lives... cause the trains running into each other wont have anybody on board anymore.

Originally Posted by Hog&Tow

I honestly hope that yours will be one of the many lives this bill will save. if you still can't make enough money I suggest you find another line of work.

I can make a living just fine, but the carriers are already suing to knock down extra board guarantees.

This goes back to the same debate I read in the threads. "I want it this way, and I'm going to have it this way and if you dont like it then quit".

Well, maybe I like the old way better. Pull up at a red signal, kick back, and open my wallet. There are systems that are much safer than PTC, but they're not "cutting edge" like PTC... They dont have the same flash as remote satellite technology.

And the rest "issue" is a non-issue for all of the reasons posted in the previous threads. You can make somebody stay off property, but you cant make them rest. Give them more time, many will simply be tempted to try and do more in their time off... That's more dangerous than what we had to begin with...

Hell, I got 11.5 hours... I'll go fishing, then go home and sleep... 6 hours later the guy comes rolling in the door... gonna get called in 4 hours.