A look back...

[Hog&Tow]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

So you mean the railroad is not going to call you on your rest anymore? And you mean everyone is going to run home and get rested? Your pool turns are turning on their rest every 10 hours or 8 hours, so the unions control those mileages? Or are you just referring to the few on the extra boards. Which I have spent 13 years on and was a good life, rest cycles days off and very rarely turning and burning. Pools layed in a minimum of 24 hours and they had option to book 14 if they wanted. So now where was our fatigue here again. OH now I get it, because there is now a LAW these same people will no have to run home and get rested...

it is your duty to come to work rested. if you don't, you are a fool. need I remind you that this is very unforgiving work we do? the new law is designed to get you more rest. what is so hard for you to understand about that?

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by Hog&Tow

it is your duty to come to work rested. if you don't, you are a fool. need I remind you that this is very unforgiving work we do? the new law is designed to get you more rest. what is so hard for you to understand about that?

The new law is designed to keep you away from home longer, which means that people will not be getting the proper rest when they are home, to much to do to have a life with a spouse. They have that same duty to get rested now and they don't, so you are saying those two extra hours are going to mean you are rested LMAO. The cap doesn't bother me because I used to take rest cycles, key word was used to, now we have to work, with the railroad telling us when we can have off, this while the intention was good turned to mush law. Hey you love it, I'm happy for ya, for the rest of us, we'll just have to deal with it and try to find ways to get days off now.

[Hog&Tow]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

The new law is designed to keep you away from home longer, which means that people will not be getting the proper rest when they are home, to much to do to have a life with a spouse. They have that same duty to get rested now and they don't, so you are saying those two extra hours are going to mean you are rested LMAO. The cap doesn't bother me because I used to take rest cycles, key word was used to, now we have to work, with the railroad telling us when we can have off, this while the intention was good turned to mush law. Hey you love it, I'm happy for ya, for the rest of us, we'll just have to deal with it and try to find ways to get days off now.

it's so different from one road/agreement to another. I get screwed a lot at the AFHT because they changed the order of the board to your arrival time.once at home, you go back in order. the guy behind me ran around me two trips in a row & he got more time at home than I did. I made good money on held away, though & I checked it to 'em when I had my money made. I guess it just can't be a good thing for everyone.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by gsxr1000mxz800

from the limited info i have read about the last commuter crash. it involved the failure of a "failsafe" train control system similar to ptc and did not save any lives. killed quite a few.

And this is part of the reason why it has been recommended by the RSAC that PTC not run the train in an automatic mode. The industry advisory committee has recommended that the Engineer keep running the train with PTC as a safety overlay - not a replacement.

It is easy for some to point out when safety systems like what the commuter train in DC fail to prevent an accident. You hear about them in sensational headlines from the media. But what you don't hear are the everyday occurrences where these systems have prevented accidents by keeping a crew from making a tragic mistake.

How many times has an alerter awaken you from a daydream or fatigue induced nap?

These safety devices, when used properly - as a safety overlay - will save lives. To say otherwise is denying our reality or living in fear because you are afraid it will somehow replace you - no matter how many lives could be saved. Again, I have NEVER advocated PTC replace one crew member or job. That would negate many of the safety aspects it offers. It must be used in addition to what we have now for the full safety benefits to be realized.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

So you mean the railroad is not going to call you on your rest anymore? And you mean everyone is going to run home and get rested? Your pool turns are turning on their rest every 10 hours or 8 hours, so the unions control those mileages? Or are you just referring to the few on the extra boards. Which I have spent 13 years on and was a good life, rest cycles days off and very rarely turning and burning. Pools layed in a minimum of 24 hours and they had option to book 14 if they wanted. So now where was our fatigue here again. OH now I get it, because there is now a LAW these same people will no have to run home and get rested...

You really need to look beyond yourself and Lincoln. Not every place was fortunate to have rest cycles or boards that didn't turn as slow as you describe in your area.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

The new law is designed to keep you away from home longer, which means that people will not be getting the proper rest when they are home, to much to do to have a life with a spouse.

WHAT??!!

The new HOS regulations are designed to keep you off duty a little more to enable employees to have the opportunity to be better rested and less fatigued.

The new regulations are far from perfect. But I think it would do us all better to actually work under these new regulations now before we pass complete judgment.

I know for a fact that I have never been on duty 276 hours in a month while working with BNSF. I doubt 90% of the people here have since the inception of the 12 hours of service law went into effect.

There are some huddles and challenges that we will be facing. I think it better to find out what those real challenges are instead of just worrying and debating of what they may be in advance of ever working under the new regulations.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by Zeb

You really need to look beyond yourself and Lincoln. Not every place was fortunate to have rest cycles or boards that didn't turn as slow as you describe in your area.

And not everywhere has long runs with 70 mph z trains where a bad trip is 6 hour on duty. These short runs you need to work 12 to make what those guys get in 6. Not everywhere has call windows like some places either, which is a greater help than extending our away from home terminal time and reducing our time at home. Like I said the bill sucks, while it may have had good intentions it sucks. There were different ways they could have went about getting this done, going and cry in to the government isn't one of them. when the government gets involved as usual they screw it up, even the unions admit this is what they were asking for.

I can say this, I at first thought I'd be taking a wage cut, but now I know I won't, I'll be working more because of less days off.

[Max]

The fact remains that we still have opportunities to make money here.
Consider if we were locked into work a 40 hr week with no hope of overtime.

[Zeb]

Originally Posted by ghostrider

And not everywhere has long runs with 70 mph z trains where a bad trip is 6 hour on duty. These short runs you need to work 12 to make what those guys get in 6. Not everywhere has call windows like some places either, which is a greater help than extending our away from home terminal time and reducing our time at home. Like I said the bill sucks, while it may have had good intentions it sucks. There were different ways they could have went about getting this done, going and cry in to the government isn't one of them. when the government gets involved as usual they screw it up, even the unions admit this is what they were asking for.

I can say this, I at first thought I'd be taking a wage cut, but now I know I won't, I'll be working more because of less days off.

You haven't even worked one day under the new HOS regulations and already condemn it. I personally don't think it is going to affect YOUR earnings one little bit. From what you have said, you get around 24 hours off at the home terminal, so 10 hours undisturbed rest will not hurt you at home or away from home terminal with regard to earnings. I absolutely hate getting called out on 8 hours rest at the away from home terminal. It means I only get 4 to 5 hours of sleep (1 to 2 hours to get relaxed to eat and get to sleep and then an 1 1/2 hour call to report to work equals 5 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours of sleep). You worked a 7 and 3 rest day board, so the new 6 days/ mandatory 48 hours rest or 7 days/mandatory 72 hours rest regulations do not limit you from your old 7 days work/3 days off. If you all voted in the new 6 and 2 agreement or 7 and 3 agreement, then you will be earning the same or possibly more (with the 6 and 2). You have posted that you do not come close to 276 hours on duty a month, so that won't affect your earnings.

Again, I think you need to take a critical look at this and see that this probably will have very little effect, if any, on your earnings, if that is what you are concerned about.

Now if BNSF drops your rest day boards or packs your extraboards, that is not the fault of the new regulations. That is a direct result of poor crew management from BNSF or BNSF trying to put the burden on the workers - not from the regulations. Be upset with the carrier on how they put the regulations in play. Because I very much doubt the new regulations as they are will impact your earnings at all and just may give you a better quality of life.

I don't like being under federal regulations anymore than the next employee. But why did it get to this point? Same reason we have most federal regulations for our industry. Because the carriers on the whole have constantly and historically avoided serious negotiations with the unions over quality of life issues and fatigue. The unions have warned the carriers for decades that this would be the end result - and so it is. Put blame where it is deserved - on the carriers, their mismanagement, and refusal to listen to their employees.

[throttle]

Its all depending on what type of pool you work, what the logistics of the yard and your AFHT is.
I can list several different terminals around here, each of them to be different in how they make you money.

I've been through this HOS change before, some hate it, some lose money, some don't care, don't lose much, others just don't give a damn.

I will play the wait and see roll. Going back on a local when I do, this will be a 5 day roughly 10 hour job....