30/60 please leave

[engsjh]

One thing that is depressing as hell to see or hear is that someone died shortly after going on pension. They spent all that time out here contributing to the pension fund and then only collect for a year or so. Real shame. I just wanna get out and start collecting. I wish it was 30 and out. I'll have 30 at age 49. Only 18 more years insread of 29.

[Hiball76]

Originally Posted by throttle

Screw that. I love to hear you guys bitch.
I went through this 3 times! And all of them worse then current.
I learned to live with it, I suggest you do the same.

In other words, BITE IT!?

This kind of attitude is why we can never stand together on any contractual issues and/or take care of our fellow brothers/sisters. Before the lynch mob comes out im not picking on Old heads only but....... Truth be told prolly 90 plus percent whom where gonna retire within the next couple years sold us out for the $4700 dollars. Do you know why? Because sometime in there past whether it was the productivity fund or another contractual issue they felt they where screwed by the old heads. And now its there turn to try and screw someone, And they like being the tough old head who gets to type all there knowledge in the forum and tell the young guys to Bite IT! Now for all the young guys who have some 30/60 guys who can retire but choose to work, sometimes its not black and white and there is some grey areas on why they dont retire. For some of them its account there wife being significantly younger and or there finances aren't in check, Regardless If they feel good enough to come to work and dont have anything else to do with there life... Theres nothing you can do about it and any and all bitching you do will only keep the "Bite IT !" comments coming.

P.s IF the railroad traffic keeps slowing down and jobs are cut to 8 hours or less with no overtime, Late lunches, Held-away etccc....... Anyone who can retire and doesnt and has made a shit pot full of money over the last 5 years WILL Be losing money by not retiring.

[badorder]

I hear ya rico, I guess this rr has a way of keeping you forever. But still, there is a whole lot better world out there beyond these rails and if you still have your health at retirement and you don't leave and take advantage of it, you're screwing yourself!! You only live once and even though I have had some good times in my short 5 yr career with this rr, none of them are keeping me longer than i have to stay. I do however appreciate the advice that all of the "oldheads" have but some still need to go.

[Leon]

Enough of this b.s. about "old heads should retire" or "old heads sold out the young guys."

The old heads have been through more furloughs than today's young guys will probably ever see in their careers. Seniority is everything on the railroad, and, if you don't like that, you can leave at any time.

Yes, Mr. Newbie on the extraboard, you are your brother's keeper. You job is to protect vacancies when your senior brother is either unable to work or chooses not to work. Show some respect for your older brothers. The old heads have earned their seniority; now, go and earn yours.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but I'm telling it like it is. The concept of seniority is preached to new hires from the very beginning, and I don't see what's so hard to understand about it.

[engsjh]

Originally Posted by Leon

Enough of this b.s. about "old heads should retire" or "old heads sold out the young guys."

The old heads have been through more furloughs than today's young guys will probably ever see in their careers. Seniority is everything on the railroad, and, if you don't like that, you can leave at any time.

Yes, Mr. Newbie on the extraboard, you are your brother's keeper. You job is to protect vacancies when your senior brother is either unable to work or chooses not to work. Show some respect for your older brothers. The old heads have earned their seniority; now, go and earn yours.

I'm not trying to be harsh, but I'm telling it like it is. The concept of seniority is preached to new hires from the very beginning, and I don't see what's so hard to understand about it.

Whatever.If you are 58 yeras old and can hold decent jobs (since there are no great ones) that is earning seniority. If you are out here passed 60 it is for these reasons: 1.) You are a buff and love the RR (2.) You married someone a lot younger and she/he can't collect their half until 60. (3.) You messed up and had a kid when you were 50. (4.) You have nothing better to do than to come into work everyday and bitch about whatever you can and LOSE $$$$$ or at the most work for $3.00 per hour.

[Excon421]

There, how's that sound?

I get tired of someone with 2- 3 yrs of seniority and alot less seniority age wise on the planet telling someone who's 60 to essentially pack up and leave because that 60 yr old employee is "preventing" that man with 3 yrs from making a living. Oh Boo-hoo. What sort of mollycoddled word do you 20-30 yr olds live in? Is it that you believe everyone should "get out of YOUR way" just because there's some sort of inconvieneince to you? Or maybe its' the "generation" gap, the old heads not wanting to leave the security of working, for the great unknown of social security and retirement in general. Everyones situation is different, some can leave, some can't, and some don't want to. Either way you slice it, it is a HUGE step(retirement), kinda like someone with 2-3 yrs of seniority "quitting" the railroad. So if you don't like it, QUIT. Stop bitching that everyone should step out of your way, and try living something through that 60 yr olds' eyes. Big step, they'll know when the times right, and there isn't no 2 yr wonder going to push them out the door they helped build.
Now I truly don't wish layoffs upon anyone, and I'd venture to say that the balance of "old heads" on this forum and elsewhere feel the same, but get a grip on things bucko, the world don't revolve around YOU.

[Hiball76]

Originally Posted by Leon

The old heads have been through more furloughs than today's young guys will probably ever see in their careers..

I would like to see the formula you used to come up with that bit of info, Its interesting to say the least. Btw you wouldnt know who is gonna win the superbowl this year, would ya?

[engsjh]

Originally Posted by Excon421

There, how's that sound?

I get tired of someone with 2- 3 yrs of seniority and alot less seniority age wise on the planet telling someone who's 60 to essentially pack up and leave because that 60 yr old employee is "preventing" that man with 3 yrs from making a living. Oh Boo-hoo. What sort of mollycoddled word do you 20-30 yr olds live in? Is it that you believe everyone should "get out of YOUR way" just because there's some sort of inconvieneince to you? Or maybe its' the "generation" gap, the old heads not wanting to leave the security of working, for the great unknown of social security and retirement in general. Everyones situation is different, some can leave, some can't, and some don't want to. Either way you slice it, it is a HUGE step(retirement), kinda like someone with 2-3 yrs of seniority "quitting" the railroad. So if you don't like it, QUIT. Stop bitching that everyone should step out of your way, and try living something through that 60 yr olds' eyes. Big step, they'll know when the times right, and there isn't no 2 yr wonder going to push them out the door they helped build.
Now I truly don't wish layoffs upon anyone, and I'd venture to say that the balance of "old heads" on this forum and elsewhere feel the same, but get a grip on things bucko, the world don't revolve around YOU.

Go smoke and listen to Roger Waters and some Floyd while your at it and collect a nice pension check while ya still can!

[engsjh]

Originally Posted by Excon421

There, how's that sound?

I get tired of someone with 2- 3 yrs of seniority and alot less seniority age wise on the planet telling someone who's 60 to essentially pack up and leave because that 60 yr old employee is "preventing" that man with 3 yrs from making a living. Oh Boo-hoo. What sort of mollycoddled word do you 20-30 yr olds live in? Is it that you believe everyone should "get out of YOUR way" just because there's some sort of inconvieneince to you? Or maybe its' the "generation" gap, the old heads not wanting to leave the security of working, for the great unknown of social security and retirement in general. Everyones situation is different, some can leave, some can't, and some don't want to. Either way you slice it, it is a HUGE step(retirement), kinda like someone with 2-3 yrs of seniority "quitting" the railroad. So if you don't like it, QUIT. Stop bitching that everyone should step out of your way, and try living something through that 60 yr olds' eyes. Big step, they'll know when the times right, and there isn't no 2 yr wonder going to push them out the door they helped build.
Now I truly don't wish layoffs upon anyone, and I'd venture to say that the balance of "old heads" on this forum and elsewhere feel the same, but get a grip on things bucko, the world don't revolve around YOU.

I do agree w/ the new hires crying though. I have 12 years and they want me out. Even I'm still a little wet behind the ears!

[ghostrider]

OK, we been here threw this issue on about every railroad board we have here. It all boils down to the same sh&t. Seniority, those that have it work until they choose to retire, if and wheb they choose to retire. If they don't retire and die off before they retire thats more money left in the kitty for the newhires. BUT its still their life and their choice, newhires will get there if you hang around long enough.