Cold on the engines

[8'nsandman]

Originally Posted by Esac44

Do you not talk to your TM? I have heard every OST and TM talk about this T school they go to and actually are being taught these things.
What for? It seems that you're not working, you're hanging out with TMs!
Do ya think if these same TMs were to see you with your safety glasses off or not watching a train by they would be the "kind gentle" souls you speak of, or would they say, "we're gonna have to handle this with a start". "You'll be receiving a letter"!

Trainmasters have a job to perform. They move on up the ladder by dishing out discipline and getting recognized.
They view us as notches on their belts.
If we stand between them and their job, we are going down.
Sorry to tell you SapAss, they only act "kind and gentle" to tempt us to relax and let down our guard so they can catch us violating the Rule of the Month.
It is US and THEM (which is different than US versus Them). NS wants it this way. That is why a trainmaster who comes from the ranks is never kept at the home terminal. NS figures that OST has become to friendly and established good relations and may have favortism.
No, NS wants to uproot the OST, point them to a place never seen and say, "These are a bunch of scoundrels here. They choose to violate the rules. They steal time. They do the bare minimum. This terminal needs whipped into shape." (END FINAL SHOT OF OST SERUM)
This is why NS never keeps a trainmaster in one place too long. Because Familiarity breeds Friendliness. They cycle them around to different terminals. This all nurtures the divide of US and THEM.
SapAss, IF IT COMES BETWEEN THEM KEEPING THEIR JOB AND YOU KEEPING YOURS, THEY WIN, YOU LOSE. YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A QUOTA FOR THE MONTH, A WALKING LIABILITY. WAIT UNTIL THEY NEED TO MEET ONE OF THEIR PROMOTIONAL REQUIREMENTS AND YOUR ASS GETS RAILROADED OUT OF HERE.

[woody916]

Originally Posted by PI_Division_Conductor

lol, fucking Captain America here.

NO KIDDING! Sapper, I have done everything you mentioned and most likely more. However, the fact that the army makes us take in the suck, sure doesn't mean we enjoy it. Sure, you have to deal with it in the army, but out here in the private sector, we don't. In fact the FRA is in place to make sure that we don't have to put up with all this BS. There are some older fellas out here that deserve the right to retire right now, but can't because of the screwings that they have taken from the company and today's economy. Do you think it they should have to just suck it up and deal with it? Or is it ETHICAL to say that they should at least have a half ass comfortable ride while they are out here busting their asses? Think about it Jr.

[h81627allegheny]

Originally Posted by nscarlcamp

Sapper, it looks like to me your a supervisor in disguise. I would like to see your sorry ass sitting on a cold engine for 200 miles, and not bitch about it. Hell, lets stop whining about everything and do away with the union so my seven kids can work alongside me 23 hours a day for $10 bucks a day because we love our job so much and its so vital to national security, I have one answer for you SCAB...., why don't you grow up and get a reality check.....

Hey Carl wouldn't you like for his sorry ass to be your conductor in the rain and snow blowing horizontal around North Carrothers...after you accidently shot the train...damn the bad luck your gonna have to walk it...and once your going again after his sorry ass finally made it back to the head end...it just went into emergancy again...sorry you never had time to dry off...maybe next time...opps it shot again

[h81627allegheny]

Originally Posted by Sapper

8'nsandman, Awsome sig!


There is not a single cold night on a locomotive that compares to laying in 2 foot of snow and trying to be as stealthy as you can staring out into open nothingness for hours on end, got to love how hardcore the military makes you. We learn to tolerate, not bitch. In the end everything is peaches so long as your not shot.

OH come on....just what DID you do in the "military" Sapper?? SO "school" us all so we know just how "hardcore" you are? How many years did you spend being stealthy...in all of my 10 years on active duty as a grunt I have NEVER heard anyone refer to "stealthy", stealth? You can't get shot at on a range! Sounds to me you were a Chairborne Ranger cause most of us do not need to try to impress others with what we did or did not do, and some what they wanted to do but never did! Those were referred to as "wannabes"...

[woody916]

Originally Posted by h81627allegheny

OH come on....just what DID you do in the "military" Sapper?? SO "school" us all so we know just how "hardcore" you are? How many years did you spend being stealthy...in all of my 10 years on active duty as a grunt I have NEVER heard anyone refer to "stealthy", stealth? You can't get shot at on a range! Sounds to me you were a Chairborne Ranger cause most of us do not need to try to impress others with what we did or did not do, and some what they wanted to do but never did! Those were referred to as "wannabes"...

"Chairborne Ranger, Chairborne Ranger where have you been? Around the the living room and back again...sound off, sound again, break it down now!"

LOL! Good one brother.

[batman]

To all of our fellow members, who have served in our military: Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for your service. But, please don't equate serving in the military with working on the railroad. They are not one in the same. Your discipline is to be admired. Your dedication is admirable. You no longer work under the officers who you respected and obeyed, while in our Armed Forces. Some of the guys, who are now in charge of your livelihood, could care less about you and your family. Some do, but, way too many do not.

[Bigdog]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER II--FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 229_RAILROAD LOCOMOTIVE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Safety Requirements

Sec. 229.119 Cabs, floors, and passageways.

(a) Cab seats shall be securely mounted and braced. Cab doors shall
be equipped with a secure and operable latching device.
(b) Cab windows of the lead locomotive shall provide an undistorted
view of the right-of-way for the crew from their normal position in the
cab. (See also, Safety Glazing Standards, 49 CFR part 223, 44 FR 77348,
Dec. 31, 1979.)
(c) Floors of cabs, passageways, and compartments shall be kept free
from oil, water, waste or any obstruction that creates a slipping,
tripping or fire hazard. Floors shall be properly treated to provide
secure footing.
(d) The cab shall be provided with proper ventilation and with a heating arrangement that maintains a temperature of at least 50 degrees Fahrenheit 6 inches above the center of each seat in the cab.

[woody916]

Originally Posted by batman

To all of our fellow members, who have served in our military: Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for your service. But, please don't equate serving in the military with working on the railroad. They are not one in the same. Your discipline is to be admired. Your dedication is admirable. You no longer work under the officers who you respected and obeyed, while in our Armed Forces. Some of the guys, who are now in charge of your livelihood, could care less about you and your family. Some do, but, way too many do not.

You are OH SO RIGHT in this statement Bama. And please, don't judge us by the arrogant comments the this toolbag sapper makes. His moniker says it all to me. Sapper units are nothing more than a section of 12B, engineers who are tricked into thinking that they are a specialized unit. The even get a little rocker to put on their sleve that says "sapper". That way when they find part of his arm that was blown off while he was sweeping for land mines, the Gov't can send a letter home to mom saying, "Sorry Ma'am, we regret to inform you that your son is dead because he was stupid".

The only thing to me that is even close to the military is some of the great friends I have made out here. Especially the older guys. Regarless of how crab ass some of them can be, I think they appreciate a new hire who plays the for the home team and truely has their back. OUT!

[throttle]

Don't throw FACTS out there BigDog, you will only muddy the water for the official even further. LMAO

[Schinbone]

First off sapper prob doesnt even work for a railroad. Sounds more like some bulls&^* rail buff, whose feelings are hurt when we disparage his "dream". He's a flamebaiter and frankly doesnt seem to add to the community. If he is a supervisor then he will be of the 60 yr old asst. trainmaster variety, they prob cant stand him either. BAN HIM.

Topic at hand, like others said this is a WILLFUL violation of the FRA guideline.
I prob would not have the nuts for an outright refusal to take it but I would make clear to whom ever is ordering me to take it that I will be passing their name along to both the superintendent and the FRA. Also to remind them of the personal civil penalties that could be levied. Might not do any good but it will see how committed they are. Then when I got home I might have Herpes caused by excessive cold.