Obama has stimulated the economy

[TFB]

Originally Posted by throttle

Ran tonight to just look for target rounds (9 and 40) good LUCK!
He said that he wasn't hopeful of getting anything in the next week.

Guess I will have to make good use of those pigeons in the yard flying around....

[railroad76]

Are you guys criminals or children? What is he taking away from you? I'm not a gun owner so educate me. I think I fall in line with what most people believe in this country. I want the right to buy a gun but I don't think the nutjob down the street should be able to stockpile uzi's. I'm not trying to be a dick, I really want to know what I am missing here.

[TFB]

Well Ghost had a very well thought out and educational post on the question you are asking if you are sincere on the previous page. Problem is I do not think you are legitimately wanting to know the truth.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by TFB

Well Ghost had a very well thought out and educational post on the question you are asking if you are sincere on the previous page. Problem is I do not think you are legitimately wanting to know the truth.

Thats just it, they think its about the guns when its about the rights we were given in this country, our constitutional rights. Whne these people are so free to give up something that they will never get back and lose more of their freedom as Americans.

[railroad76]

So aren't a lot of these "semi-automatic" weapons more than the name states? Are these the guns they used to shoot up schools? I really don't know much about the subject. Are uzi's semi or fully? Should fully-automatic weapons be sold or banned? Where is the line drawn? I can see not selling them near schools or to criminals.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by railroad76

Are you guys criminals or children?

No we're Americans who have served this country in time of war, we are farmers, railroaders husbands and wives of all races and ages. Criminals are all for gun control...It makes their job safer.

What is he taking away from you?

He is stripping away our constitutional rights, the 2nd Amendment. That is what he is taking away from us, our freedoms, what next, the right to warrant less wiretapping, oh ya he already voted for that to...

I'm not a gun owner so educate me. I think I fall in line with what most people believe in this country. I want the right to buy a gun but I don't think the nutjob down the street should be able to stockpile uzi's.

And so if he's a certifiable nut job its already illegal to own weapons, if he's a minor he's already illegal to own weapons, if he's a criminal its already illegal to own weapons, if hes an illegal alien already illegal to own weapons there's already laws made to prevent unauthorized ownership of firearm. These laws are not being enforced. So you want to take the right of honest Americans away from them because you won't already enforce laws enacted. More useless legislation that takes away from HONEST hardworking Americans whom he SUPPOSEDLY is supporting.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I really want to know what I am missing here.

Honest questions get honest answers...Oh by the way full auto Uzi's are already illegal so if the nut job has em he already went through a government security screening and has a Class III FFL which is damn near impossible to get.If they are semi automatic weapons then they are legal to own. So if you ban then the you get into banning all semi auto clip fed weapons which include pistols shotguns rifles, or maybe those pesky sniper rifles which are high powered rifles with telescopic sight IE any deer rifle out there. Oh by the way thank you honestly, these are good questions and I appreciate you asking them.

[railroad76]

So semi/fully, how does one determine which is which? So many bullets per minute/so many seconds? As far as the 2nd Amendment, at that time, they we still using gunpowder and muskettes right? I don't think they had an idea of what the future had in store. I'm sure they didn't plan on drive-by's and postal workers. I'm all for rights to own a gun. I plan on owning one someday myself. But where would you guys think we should draw the line? Should there be a line? I'm sure someone thinks it's within their rights to own a rocketlauncher and a tank.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by railroad76

So semi/fully, how does one determine which is which?

Semi you have to continuously pull the trigger to keep fireing
Full you just hold the trigger

Both are auto loading.

So many bullets per minute/so many seconds?

Depends on the cyclic rate of fire or how fast the gun can load, I believe a vulcan which is a 20 mm cannon can fire 20,000 rounds a minute..A semi auto how fas can you pull the trigger.

As far as the 2nd Amendment, at that time, they we still using gunpowder and muskettes right? I don't think they had an idea of what the future had in store. I'm sure they didn't plan on drive-by's and postal workers.

By gosh you're right, they did have ball n cap percussion weapons, along with Gatling guns later bows and arrows earlier. As for the drive by and postal workers, I'm sure they already have a zillion laws on the books that say murder is kinda the capital crime, so in Oklahoma City did Tim McVey use a gun or a bomb to kill how many. If they are going to kill they can make it as simple as drinking and driving yet I don't see anyone wanting to ban alcohol again. Banning guns prevents nothing except raising the crime rates because the honest citizens are now defenseless.

I'm all for rights to own a gun. I plan on owning one someday myself. But where would you guys think we should draw the line? Should there be a line? I'm sure someone thinks it's within their rights to own a rocket launcher and a tank.

They already do own rocket launchers and tanks look em up on ebay. BUT they have to be rendered inoperable of firing. The line is already there they just need to punish the criminals and quit picking on the legal gun owners. Stop making feel good legislation when you already have the tools to prevent the crime by making them do the time.

[railroad76]

Sorry, you still haven't sold me. By you bring up McVey, I think that is what most people are scared of. I don't want some crazy mfer going around thinking he is some hero and killing a bunch of innocent people. It seems to me that anyone looking to fire that many rounds per minute is looking for trouble. Hunting or handguns are one thing. But when some nut shoots up a mall then he is infringing on my constitutional right to "life". Drunk driving is already against the law. I really don't think anyone is against normal hand guns and hunting stuff. Is there another country in world more free with their gun laws?

[throttle]

Let me ask you this Rail76, why should I not be allowed to own a gun as long as it was written in the constitution for my right to do such?

The line is well drawn, if its fully automatic it's not for the general public. In the cases you make of people shooting up schools, those are generally the folks that are CRIMINALS and wouldn't matter what the gun laws are anyway. PERIOD, they will get them no matter what the case is, it matters not one bit to them if its illegal or not. They will openly carry without a permit and fire them at will without regard for others!

People that have legal right to carry are generally law bidding citizens that take care and honor the laws to which you are allowed to own/carry/fire a weapon.

Eating away at the 2nd is just the start. More people are killed here by other means then guns. So when someone is driving illegal and kills another person, why shouldn't we ban cars? The logic is flawed yet its continually used.

Pretty much any semi auto weapon can be used to hunt. A shotgun is a SEMI and its used to hunt........yet it could be banned. Think about this.

Using the logic of "they didn't mean it when they wrote that" can be used a 100 different ways.

By banning weapons you just take them from the law bidding citizen and give the access to those with bad intent in their minds!