UTU president's position not sustained - Page 3

utunorth · 08-05-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fizz

The TCRC allows the people in charge to make those calls.
The president stays informed in advance of the call.
Then they back the strike effort.

There is not a union around that doesn't need the presidents approval to strike!
TCRC included.
All Beatty had to do was ask, and none of this would have happened.
And no, they would not have said no, as the Beattyites all believe.
PT even asked Beatty to ask, but he refused.
Why?
That is obvious, his deal with the TCRC!

Sparks · 08-05-2008, 01:21 PM

The UTU International had a deal... to go to the Sheetmetal Workers. The first I heard of it myself was when the UTU International sent an expensive, glittery promo to me in the mail. I voted against it, and I understand the terms as represented by PT were different enough to the reality that some Americans are now in doubt.
At least one less Canadian rep for Canadians. I think there might have been a Canadian rep who wanted a VP job in the new SMART Union.

The arbiter ruled that under Canadian law, Rex Beatty followed the wording of the constitution.
He called the strike. PT broke it.

P.Cushman · 08-05-2008, 09:38 PM

FYI -the hourly rate was not on the table at the time of the ill advised decision to go on strike.

cnese · 08-05-2008, 09:52 PM

Not only did the UTU try to take its membership to the Sheetmetal workers, it wanted to take its Canadian membership to the USWA.

And then we singned TCRC cards.

The CIRB ordered a run-off vote. Imagine that; the membership gets to decide what union will represent them! I realize that the UTU will have a hard time with this, as the mere notion of a free vote amongst its own membership seems a foreign concept to them. Better to have the International President do what is 'best for the membership' and install his own lackeys over the membership's objections.

utunorth · 08-05-2008, 10:01 PM

Look who's installing his own lackeys!!!
That moron Garth Bates, you know the current VP/Leg.Director,
has just "appointed"
all of Beattys friends to positions in Canada!
Knowing we are headed to the TCRC, it's payout time for the sheep who were promised jobs by Rex.
Bates puts them in place, and sends the deal to the TCRC.
good scam, but hey, you all think it's okay to pay off Truckers, just not UTU.
Want to bet our dues hit $200.00 with in the year to pay for these patronage positions?

cnese · 08-05-2008, 10:12 PM

I'm not betting on anything. Rex will have to stand for election. Put your name on the ballot if you can do a better job. Seriously, I'd even nominate you if I could without compromising my anominity.

utunorth · 08-05-2008, 10:28 PM

I noticed you ignored the part about his buddies getting appointed, are you one of them? And i guess $200.00 dues is okay with you?
You know to pay for the created positions.

Sparks · 08-05-2008, 10:33 PM

Secord got appointed... "Special Consultant to the Prez of the UTU."

The hourly rate was mentioned in the negotiations.

I believe I mentioned that because you are smart, it doesn't mean other people are stupid... usually it means we are not speaking the same language the same way,

cnese · 08-05-2008, 11:19 PM

Some disclosure here, since I've been asked. Actually, dues are going to be $507.46 a month and the odd 'special assessment', just to make you UTU supporters feel at home. Feel better now that you know?

What the hell, I can pick figures out of thin air, too. I got my desire to pull numbers out of thin air from reading Thompson's Valentines' Day book from last year that he called a 'letter to the Canadian membership'. And I'm still trying to use his 'hide the sausage' quote somewhere in polite conversation.

And no, I haven't been appointed to, or asked to be appointed to, anything with the TCRC yet. Should I ask Rex?

Quote:

Originally Posted by utunorth

I noticed you ignored the part about his buddies getting appointed, are you one of them? And i guess $200.00 dues is okay with you?
You know to pay for the created positions.

utunorth · 08-06-2008, 05:54 PM

A) thats not Secords job, wrong as usual.
B) dues will go up, side step the issue if you want.
c)Thompson is gone, get over it.

08-05-2008, 01:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
Sparks Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 256 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	The UTU International had a deal... to go to the Sheetmetal Workers. The first I heard of it myself was when the UTU International sent an expensive, glittery promo to me in the mail. I voted against it, and I understand the terms as represented by PT were different enough to the reality that some Americans are now in doubt. At least one less Canadian rep for Canadians. I think there might have been a Canadian rep who wanted a VP job in the new SMART Union. The arbiter ruled that under Canadian law, Rex Beatty followed the wording of the constitution. He called the strike. PT broke it. Last edited by Sparks; 08-05-2008 at 01:25 PM.

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08-05-2008, 09:38 PM	#23 (permalink)
P.Cushman Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	FYI -the hourly rate was not on the table at the time of the ill advised decision to go on strike.

08-05-2008, 09:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
cnese Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 117 Thanks: 33 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts	Not only did the UTU try to take its membership to the Sheetmetal workers, it wanted to take its Canadian membership to the USWA. And then we singned TCRC cards. The CIRB ordered a run-off vote. Imagine that; the membership gets to decide what union will represent them! I realize that the UTU will have a hard time with this, as the mere notion of a free vote amongst its own membership seems a foreign concept to them. Better to have the International President do what is 'best for the membership' and install his own lackeys over the membership's objections.

08-05-2008, 10:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Look who's installing his own lackeys!!! That moron Garth Bates, you know the current VP/Leg.Director, has just "appointed" all of Beattys friends to positions in Canada! Knowing we are headed to the TCRC, it's payout time for the sheep who were promised jobs by Rex. Bates puts them in place, and sends the deal to the TCRC. good scam, but hey, you all think it's okay to pay off Truckers, just not UTU. Want to bet our dues hit $200.00 with in the year to pay for these patronage positions?

08-05-2008, 10:12 PM	#26 (permalink)
cnese Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 117 Thanks: 33 Thanked 25 Times in 17 Posts	I'm not betting on anything. Rex will have to stand for election. Put your name on the ballot if you can do a better job. Seriously, I'd even nominate you if I could without compromising my anominity.

08-05-2008, 10:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I noticed you ignored the part about his buddies getting appointed, are you one of them? And i guess $200.00 dues is okay with you? You know to pay for the created positions.

08-05-2008, 10:33 PM	#28 (permalink)
Sparks Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 256 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Secord got appointed... "Special Consultant to the Prez of the UTU." The hourly rate was mentioned in the negotiations. I believe I mentioned that because you are smart, it doesn't mean other people are stupid... usually it means we are not speaking the same language the same way,

08-06-2008, 05:54 PM	#30 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	A) thats not Secords job, wrong as usual. B) dues will go up, side step the issue if you want. c)Thompson is gone, get over it.