UTU president's position not sustained - Page 2

utunorth · 08-03-2008, 01:13 PM

just calling a spade a spade Sparks.
You still twist how the strike went down, how it ended, who did what, you have been wrong about arbitration, the CIRB, and most of anything you post.
You have made up your mind, fine, so have most people, but some still use facts, and some actually know the whole story.
We are all going to the TCRC, that is pretty well a given.
The sad part is this leader you seem to have a high school girl crush on is a liar.
He has been caught.
He didn't do his job(grievances)
He is only after his own glory.
He gets people to send him money, for his legal defence, because he is facing bankruptcy, yet can afford to travel the province on a elect me tour.
He has been paid large sums of money from the GC fund,($20.000 in Jan. alone)
Yet cries of being broke.
He is a conman, who will sell us all out.
I hope, I pray, I wish I am wrong.
Say what you want about the UTU.
We are headed to a organization that can and will raise dues as much as they want, when ever they want(and they will) who is in this for the dues grab.
Argue all you want!
Whatch our dues go up, and the same useless reps wil be back in power ignoring grievances, and not returning calls, flying across the country in EXECUTIVE class to go get drunk with the other trough buddies.
In the words od Hunter S. Thompson
"WE ARE ALL DOOMED"

Sparks · 08-03-2008, 06:09 PM

'I hope, I pray, I wish I am wrong.' In that one thing I am with you. We always have to keep an eye on the people in power. We'll have to keep an eye on the TCRC, if that's the way it goes, 'cause that's the way it goes.

Well I'm not wrong about who I voted for, and you didn't do anything to change my mind, utunorth.
I kind of thought you were arguing all you wanted.

The plan was to work but remain on strike just to get the company's attention. Company s are more reasonable when you have them by the cojones. Yes, I know who said that- Hoffa but he actually said that when you have someone by the balls, his heart and mind will follow. We had CN by the pocketbook and that's all Ewing Harrison values. Everything else he uses.

The International forced BTW and settlement by Simms, who took CN's offer, not the UTU International's. I don't care why the International did it, mistakenly or for some value, but they did it.

Zeb · 08-03-2008, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utunorth

just calling a spade a spade Sparks.
You still twist how the strike went down, how it ended, who did what, you have been wrong about arbitration, the CIRB, and most of anything you post.
You have made up your mind, fine, so have most people, but some still use facts, and some actually know the whole story.
We are all going to the TCRC, that is pretty well a given.
The sad part is this leader you seem to have a high school girl crush on is a liar.
He has been caught.
He didn't do his job(grievances)
He is only after his own glory.
He gets people to send him money, for his legal defence, because he is facing bankruptcy, yet can afford to travel the province on a elect me tour.
He has been paid large sums of money from the GC fund,($20.000 in Jan. alone)
Yet cries of being broke.
He is a conman, who will sell us all out.
I hope, I pray, I wish I am wrong.
Say what you want about the UTU.
We are headed to a organization that can and will raise dues as much as they want, when ever they want(and they will) who is in this for the dues grab.
Argue all you want!
Whatch our dues go up, and the same useless reps wil be back in power ignoring grievances, and not returning calls, flying across the country in EXECUTIVE class to go get drunk with the other trough buddies.
In the words od Hunter S. Thompson
"WE ARE ALL DOOMED"

Voting to go to the TCRC doesn't mean the Beatty will automatically be put back in office. He will have to stand for election if I am not mistaken. So there will be a time and place for a referendum on how the members feel about Beatty's job performance as a GC. Again, I think that is fair and democratic.

P.Cushman · 08-03-2008, 11:44 PM

No one's insulting you here Sparks. We're concerned that you don't seem to have the ability to recognize the truth.

Sparks · 08-04-2008, 08:37 AM

Or, I just don't see it your way.
I think a strike was called for. The hourly rate was on the table. Working under the hourly rate as CN has applied it reminds me too much of chickens in a chicken factory: lights on all the time, they never leave their cages, maximum profit for the farmer/owner of the corporation.
I didn't like the result. We had CN strong armed. The International cut our muscle. The big signing bonus we didn't really expect, you know.
What we got, because of the International's interference, was six more months at the old rate, a return to work and FOS.
The arbiter took CN's offer, not the UTU's offer. Was the International good for us?

utunorth · 08-04-2008, 10:52 AM

We did have CN hurting, but we must remember, we were off for over 3 weeks, BECAUSE of the CIRB, and the whole argument on the legality of the strike.
IF this had not happened, do you really think Harper and his robots would have allowed us to stay on strike for that long?
We would have been legislated back within the week.
GHunter wanted us back, but because of the Board, we got to stay out longer.
There is no way we will ever get strike for that long again.
the beast part is it showed the country that EHH is a liar.
he tried to say he was running the trains at 90%
We know it was more like 15% and it wasn't long before the press caught on to his lies.
IF we ever go on strike again, bet you bottom dollare it won't last more than a week.

fizz · 08-04-2008, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utunorth

We did have CN hurting, but we must remember, we were off for over 3 weeks, BECAUSE of the CIRB, and the whole argument on the legality of the strike.
IF this had not happened, do you really think Harper and his robots would have allowed us to stay on strike for that long?
We would have been legislated back within the week.
GHunter wanted us back, but because of the Board, we got to stay out longer.
There is no way we will ever get strike for that long again.
the beast part is it showed the country that EHH is a liar.
he tried to say he was running the trains at 90%
We know it was more like 15% and it wasn't long before the press caught on to his lies.
IF we ever go on strike again, bet you bottom dollare it won't last more than a week.

While I might agree, that the possibility of a strike would only be allowed to go on for one week. In the future under the TCRC their would be some differences.
Firstly, the full backing of the Union itself.
Secondly, when the presentation is made to an arbitrator, it would be properly presented.
What we got this time was weak support from the UTU International, and a piss poor effort from the ASS team and its lawyers (Shell).

utunorth · 08-05-2008, 03:27 AM

Well, if Beatty calls a strike WITHOUT the TCRC presidents aproval, they won't back us up either!!

fizz · 08-05-2008, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utunorth

Well, if Beatty calls a strike WITHOUT the TCRC presidents aproval, they won't back us up either!!

The TCRC allows the people in charge to make those calls.
The president stays informed in advance of the call.
Then they back the strike effort.

Sparks · 08-05-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utunorth

(snipped)
IF we ever go on strike again, bet you bottom dollare it won't last more than a week.

Have you considered being on strike but working? We would have at least made the company less confident.
If you are facing BTW and FOS what is the point of remaining on the line if you have another choice?

If the International had let the plan progress there is a good chance the UTU Canada would not be voting whether or not to go to the Teamsters now.

"Don't throw me in the briar patch" but you did.

08-03-2008, 06:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sparks Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 256 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	'I hope, I pray, I wish I am wrong.' In that one thing I am with you. We always have to keep an eye on the people in power. We'll have to keep an eye on the TCRC, if that's the way it goes, 'cause that's the way it goes. Well I'm not wrong about who I voted for, and you didn't do anything to change my mind, utunorth. I kind of thought you were arguing all you wanted. The plan was to work but remain on strike just to get the company's attention. Company s are more reasonable when you have them by the cojones. Yes, I know who said that- Hoffa but he actually said that when you have someone by the balls, his heart and mind will follow. We had CN by the pocketbook and that's all Ewing Harrison values. Everything else he uses. The International forced BTW and settlement by Simms, who took CN's offer, not the UTU International's. I don't care why the International did it, mistakenly or for some value, but they did it. Last edited by Sparks; 08-03-2008 at 06:44 PM.

08-04-2008, 08:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sparks Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 256 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Or, I just don't see it your way. I think a strike was called for. The hourly rate was on the table. Working under the hourly rate as CN has applied it reminds me too much of chickens in a chicken factory: lights on all the time, they never leave their cages, maximum profit for the farmer/owner of the corporation. I didn't like the result. We had CN strong armed. The International cut our muscle. The big signing bonus we didn't really expect, you know. What we got, because of the International's interference, was six more months at the old rate, a return to work and FOS. The arbiter took CN's offer, not the UTU's offer. Was the International good for us? Last edited by Sparks; 08-04-2008 at 08:48 AM.

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08-03-2008, 01:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	just calling a spade a spade Sparks. You still twist how the strike went down, how it ended, who did what, you have been wrong about arbitration, the CIRB, and most of anything you post. You have made up your mind, fine, so have most people, but some still use facts, and some actually know the whole story. We are all going to the TCRC, that is pretty well a given. The sad part is this leader you seem to have a high school girl crush on is a liar. He has been caught. He didn't do his job(grievances) He is only after his own glory. He gets people to send him money, for his legal defence, because he is facing bankruptcy, yet can afford to travel the province on a elect me tour. He has been paid large sums of money from the GC fund,($20.000 in Jan. alone) Yet cries of being broke. He is a conman, who will sell us all out. I hope, I pray, I wish I am wrong. Say what you want about the UTU. We are headed to a organization that can and will raise dues as much as they want, when ever they want(and they will) who is in this for the dues grab. Argue all you want! Whatch our dues go up, and the same useless reps wil be back in power ignoring grievances, and not returning calls, flying across the country in EXECUTIVE class to go get drunk with the other trough buddies. In the words od Hunter S. Thompson "WE ARE ALL DOOMED"

08-03-2008, 11:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
P.Cushman Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 130 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	No one's insulting you here Sparks. We're concerned that you don't seem to have the ability to recognize the truth.

08-04-2008, 10:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	We did have CN hurting, but we must remember, we were off for over 3 weeks, BECAUSE of the CIRB, and the whole argument on the legality of the strike. IF this had not happened, do you really think Harper and his robots would have allowed us to stay on strike for that long? We would have been legislated back within the week. GHunter wanted us back, but because of the Board, we got to stay out longer. There is no way we will ever get strike for that long again. the beast part is it showed the country that EHH is a liar. he tried to say he was running the trains at 90% We know it was more like 15% and it wasn't long before the press caught on to his lies. IF we ever go on strike again, bet you bottom dollare it won't last more than a week.

08-05-2008, 03:27 AM	#18 (permalink)
utunorth Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well, if Beatty calls a strike WITHOUT the TCRC presidents aproval, they won't back us up either!!