engineers pulling bids

[hua]

The rumor here is that all the engineers that pulled their bids and set themselves back on the former CBQ will have to put their bids back in and be set up. It just amazes me the the UTU only seems to care when things start to effect the old head regime. We have had younger engineers pulling their bids for quite some time and no one cared. Now that the high seniority engineers are setting themselves back and the high seniority conductors are being put out of their cushy jobs is anything done. No one cared when the younger guys were getting furloughed. Nothing was done to protect them. The UTU definitely seems biased.

[pin jammer]

Tell me something I didn't know already.

[Iron Bender]

Is there a flowback agreement on the CB&Q lproperty? If so, that should govern the issue.

My guess is that if this indeed occurring, it is related to the company, in conjunction with the BLE's primary recall agreement, allowing demoted engineers to continue working as trainmen in the Northern Lines properties when they could be working as engineers again in direct violation of UTU national contracts as well as agreements on the BNSF/prior-BN Northern Lines (GN, NP, SP&S).

I cannot speak as to what may or may not have been negotiated by the CB&Q committee, but on the Northern Lines an engineer is not allowed to exercise his trainman seniority as long as he can hold any engineer position.

The company could be screwing with the BLE engineers to gain their continued support for violating UTU contracts and agreements in another region or the UTU could be screwing with them to get the company to enforce the contract that other region. The BLE is not innocent in all of this, either. They were basically trying to force their own flowback policy with their primary recall agreement.

As the BLE appears to support a single craft wherein workers can freely move between the engineer, conductor, brakeman, and switchman positions, maybe we should just get it over with and all dovetail into one seniority roster based on our original service dates. Then we can go where ever that date allows us to and let the chips fall where they may.

[ghostrider]

Originally Posted by Iron Bender

Is there a flowback agreement on the CB&Q lproperty? If so, that should govern the issue.

My guess is that if this indeed occurring, it is related to the company, in conjunction with the BLE's primary recall agreement, allowing demoted engineers to continue working as trainmen in the Northern Lines properties when they could be working as engineers again in direct violation of UTU national contracts as well as agreements on the BNSF/prior-BN Northern Lines (GN, NP, SP&S).

I cannot speak as to what may or may not have been negotiated by the CB&Q committee, but on the Northern Lines an engineer is not allowed to exercise his trainman seniority as long as he can hold any engineer position.

The company could be screwing with the BLE engineers to gain their continued support for violating UTU contracts and agreements in another region or the UTU could be screwing with them to get the company to enforce the contract that other region. The BLE is not innocent in all of this, either. They were basically trying to force their own flowback policy with their primary recall agreement.

As the BLE appears to support a single craft wherein workers can freely move between the engineer, conductor, brakeman, and switchman positions, maybe we should just get it over with and all dovetail into one seniority roster based on our original service dates. Then we can go where ever that date allows us to and let the chips fall where they may.

No flow back on BN side..

[cornhusker]

[QUOTE=As the BLE appears to support a single craft wherein workers can freely move between the engineer, conductor, brakeman, and switchman positions, maybe we should just get it over with and all dovetail into one seniority roster based on our original service dates. Then we can go where ever that date allows us to and let the chips fall where they may.[/QUOTE]

I agree. but all i am is a furoughed 5000# nobody! So my vote dosent count!

[Mike Honcho]

Originally Posted by Iron Bender

Is there a flowback agreement on the CB&Q lproperty? If so, that should govern the issue.

My guess is that if this indeed occurring, it is related to the company, in conjunction with the BLE's primary recall agreement, allowing demoted engineers to continue working as trainmen in the Northern Lines properties when they could be working as engineers again in direct violation of UTU national contracts as well as agreements on the BNSF/prior-BN Northern Lines (GN, NP, SP&S).

I cannot speak as to what may or may not have been negotiated by the CB&Q committee, but on the Northern Lines an engineer is not allowed to exercise his trainman seniority as long as he can hold any engineer position.

The company could be screwing with the BLE engineers to gain their continued support for violating UTU contracts and agreements in another region or the UTU could be screwing with them to get the company to enforce the contract that other region. The BLE is not innocent in all of this, either. They were basically trying to force their own flowback policy with their primary recall agreement.

As the BLE appears to support a single craft wherein workers can freely move between the engineer, conductor, brakeman, and switchman positions, maybe we should just get it over with and all dovetail into one seniority roster based on our original service dates. Then we can go where ever that date allows us to and let the chips fall where they may.

There is no Flowback agreement on CB&Q territory.

[Mike Honcho]

Originally Posted by hua

The rumor here is that all the engineers that pulled their bids and set themselves back on the former CBQ will have to put their bids back in and be set up. It just amazes me the the UTU only seems to care when things start to effect the old head regime. We have had younger engineers pulling their bids for quite some time and no one cared. Now that the high seniority engineers are setting themselves back and the high seniority conductors are being put out of their cushy jobs is anything done. No one cared when the younger guys were getting furloughed. Nothing was done to protect them. The UTU definitely seems biased.

There is no flowback on the CB&Q territory. Engineers cannot voluntarily set themselves back.
By the way people were being furloughed by the company because of economic conditions plain and simple. It amaze me how some of you people point the finger at the UTU because you're cut off or furloughed.
By the way how is this affecting the Old Head regime???? I repeat engineers on the CB&Q cannot voluntarily set themselves back like they do on the Sante Fe side.
The only way this is possible on the CB&Q is if a demoted(setback) engineer clears his bid sheet and then the junior demote is setup when a board change occurs. This is going to change. It was a sneaky back door way of allowing flowback.

[TxRdnek]

Not blaming the UTU for the furlough but the bias is everywhere. When an old head engineer got put back on the ground for running into a form B all the old head conductors were ok with it until they started cutting jobs... it took one guy with less than 20 years senority not to be able to work a high paying turn to get the UTU up in arms about it. What about the 8 other guys with less than 20 years who got cut.. Screw them I guess ..

yes still a UTU member barely.. Before anyone starts yes I go to meetings and yes I have ran for office .. Oh wait we only vote the old heads into the officer positions so they can layoff UNB and go fishing together.. Way more old heads in the UTU than there is new guys

[runout]

Originally Posted by TxRdnek

it took one guy with less than 20 years senority not to be able to work a high paying turn to get the UTU up in arms about it.

come July, those high paying turns will be MIA anyway I imagine

[pin jammer]

I'm not a UTU basher or hater but there are somethings that need change. They didn't fight for the young guys to all start at 100 percent even after the contract was signed. Young guys were not furloughed because of UTU lack of, but where were they when SHTF this year. Oh lets start a program to rat on our brothers. Quit letting the carrier stick it in our back side with no lube and grow a set of balls to fight these bastards that look at us as a number. I put money on it that these top union guys are out wine and dinning these company executives on our dime.